[ cross-posted to http://groups-beta.google.com/group/okopipi-dev/t/440a9b12c59ad348 ]
To the current project leader:
We all obviously appreciate the work that's being done on this project. However, at this point, I think this project's at a point where people are giving up and turning their attention elsewhere. Why don't you start bringing more people on board? Why don't you release a snapshot of what you have now, even though it may not work? Even if it's only a couple of lines!!! We don't care! We want to see some results! We all understand a working professional's time constraints, but we're at the point now where you should either put out or get out. We will support you every step of the way, regardless of the current state of things. But we need to see action, and we need to see it NOW. A code snapshot. A link to a CVS/SVN repository. More activity on the front page. Something. In a professional atmosphere, if someone isn't doing their job, they get fired. Just because this is a volunteer gig doesn't mean people still can't get the boot. So, if we're all just waiting on someone to get their act together, maybe it's time to find someone else who's competent enough to walk the walk.
Am I volunteering? I don't think so! I have a full-time job and a family, too. I understand the pressure you're under. Which is why you need to either make time for this project or step down as leader and let someone else with the know-how take the reigns. There's no question about it. You did say this project is up for grabs, however you didn't say how to post results, host code, etc. If you're willing to step down as project leader, say so, and the community will find someone who will be able to make this project successful. You already have a good portion of the code written for you, as the Blue Frog client was free software. If you don't have the source for it, ask around. Someone's bound to still have it lying around somewhere. Slashdot works great for this sort of thing.
No malice against you. Again, I'm grateful you took the initiative with starting something. But now that something is stagnant and in danger of dying. As the project leader, you are largely responsible for this, and you need to do what is necessary in order to see to it that this project lives on. Even if that means handing the keys to everything over to someone else.
well if you are not
well if you are not volunteering for the job you shouldn't really be
saying anything.
also if you ever read the front page, or the forum you might have a
clue on what is going on. I (the project leader) have stepped aside
and allowed for anyone to come forward. Everything that has been made
for the okopipi project is posted, try reading the forum.
http://digitalparanoid.com/~matt/okopipi-2.0.1.pdf
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Project Admin
Leader? Who?
We don't have any leaders here. We did have a few, but they've been extremely inactive for a long time. I think they gave up when no concrete proposals for solutions appeared except mine, which they didn't believe in.
I get the impression that the "current project leader" whom you want to fire might be me. I don't have any leader role here, in fact I'm more of a rogue player, because I didn't give up when the leaders we once had persistently didn't believe in my solutions. When I didn't get anywhere trying to convince people, I decided to make my own prototype. Only after some initial testing did I mention my prototype here, not to get any leadership role, just in the hope that people wouldn't give up completely, that they would stay around or come back when I have something to show. Or even better if they got inspired to try to find alternate solutions.
In any case, if I'm the "current project leader" whom you want to fire, then all I can say is that I sincerely and wholeheartedly hope that you'll succeed in this endeavour. From the very first time that I mentioned my prototype I've said that I hope an alternate frog will appear. I tried repeatedly to encourage such work. The only reason I stopped saying this was that it got tiresome, repeating the same thing with no such project appearing.
The fact that I'm the only one making a prototype makes me feel vulnerable, considering that our adversaries are organised crime, mafia, very dangerous people. There would be no such danger if we had lots of people discussing various solutions, alternatives and possibilities. If a crowd is large enough you can't realistically attack everyone. It's the fact that I'm alone that makes me feel vulnerable. If you can change that, that would be a great relief!
Unless I'm mistaken, the Okopipi project started out with a record number of coders eager to participate, and as time passed the numbers dwindled. Perhaps the reason for the dwindling numbers is that the project isn't just about engineering, it involves a number of genuinely difficult problems that don't have known solutions. People get enthusiastic, then analyse the details, stumble on the problems, get more and more entangled in the difficulties, and in the end just wait and hope that somebody else has working solutions.
I hope my description here doesn't discourage people from trying. Often when a large enough number of people try, new and interesting solutions are found. So don't give up! Take it as an interesting challenge! Keep trying! Maybe you're the one to strike gold!
Unfortunately, posting my code, such as it is now, wouldn't help in any way. It's just run-of-the-mill groundwork, very ordinary scaffolding. The code doesn't say anything about the intended solutions. It's groundwork for proof-of-concept code that does not yet contain the concepts that it will eventually prove.
Just make a start
Hi,
Since:
1) we don't have any (active) leader anymore
2) You are the only one who made a real proposal
3) You still react on posts
I suggest you complete your code. It would be nice if you contact other programmers so there is already a team. This way there may be a result in the near (or not that far) future...
Agreed!
Agreed!
.. Project Honeypot .