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BlackFrog NEW EDITION of BlueFrog
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this is opensource progekt like bluefrog - http://www.okopipi.org/

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Date 5/28/2006 4:26:15 AM

etherbot

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RE: BlackFrog NEW EDITION of BlueFrog (in reply to p_boss)
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Interesting. Yet, here's a link I found on their beta site. Shows a proposed topology. Even in a P2P environment, the central framework can still be targeted with some effort. I'll certainly keep an eye on their developments.

For those interested:

http://wiki.okopipi.org/w/images/0/03/Frognet.gif

Hmmm...after reading their blogs, it would be fun to join their development team and have some fun with back dooring their framework perhaps?

Wouldn't this be a cool bnet?

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Date 5/28/2006 5:55:05 AM

mcproxy

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RE: BlackFrog NEW EDITION of BlueFrog (in reply to p_boss)
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I cannot for the life of me think of any way this will work. The ways they're talking about(or were initially) is like X number of people must approve the attack blah blah blah, but this is too easily infiltrated by botnets, and they know it. Anyone know how they're supposedly gonna proof vs. this?

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Date 5/28/2006 9:35:09 AM

Mr.Green

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RE: BlackFrog NEW EDITION of BlueFrog (in reply to p_boss)
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P2P technology is very complex, it COULD work theoretically if done in the right way.

but

1. I doubt these guys will have enough $ to develope and market it (a few mil dollars).
2. I dont see how they can make money to get a return on their investment.
Date 5/29/2006 10:42:54 AM

mcproxy

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RE: BlackFrog NEW EDITION of BlueFrog (in reply to Mr.Green)
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr.Green

P2P technology is very complex, it COULD work theoretically if done in the right way.

but

1. I doubt these guys will have enough $ to develope and market it (a few mil dollars).
2. I dont see how they can make money to get a return on their investment.

I read around some of their message boards. A couple people seemed to say that the desire to get $ out of it led to the downfall. They're not gonna be looking at this too hard.
I definitely agree with your point about marketing though.

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Date 5/29/2006 12:23:11 PM

SPAMTHEFROG

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RE: BlackFrog NEW EDITION of BlueFrog (in reply to p_boss)
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i agree with the last two posters.

we can just relax...

even if they don't fail keeping developing the new frog at a point that it remotely works... (and i am sure they will fail - simply because what they are planning is way too complex). even if they dont, they will face many problems.

i read that they will distribute the frog in p2p channels like bittorrent, download sites etc... whats there to stop us rewriting their distributions and distribute our own versions of new frog?

they will need at least 1m users for this to pose any threat... simply because 500 p2p users are at least twice less effective than centrally controlled bnet. it wil not be simple to grow that big without marketing money.

then crucial element to success is to keep new registrations going at such a pace that it outpaces the speed of old members uninstalling the app for some reason...

also, if you look at their admin infrastructure, you will see that there will be independant admins, i.e. admins of subnets that will 'approve' DDoSes... it looks like that will further decrease the effectiveness.

and they try to make it legal... 1 optout per spam. that will require millions of frogs to pose a threat...

but honestly, i reckon they will be fed up with the project way sooner than any of the above becomes an issue. and the reason - they made the project way too complex to develop. even 20 fanatical coding antis can't pull it off.
Date 5/31/2006 3:25:29 PM

Crazy

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RE: BlackFrog NEW EDITION of BlueFrog (in reply to SPAMTHEFROG)
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I agree with SPAMTHEFROG.

These groups are running off the Blue Frog adrenaline, which they foolishly placed their trust in. The only thing motivating this at the moment was the partial impact BlueSecurity had on the community, plus the fact that they think since the reaction was so strong from spammers, that it truely is an effective method.

By reading these discussions, I'll bet that the project will be in "discussion phases" for atleast 7 to 12 months from today... and the actual implementation and launch of this project? Really depends on the competency of their programming team and whether they can trick some sucker company to loan them a few million.
Date 6/1/2006 3:42:22 AM

SPAMTHEFROG

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RE: BlackFrog NEW EDITION of BlueFrog (in reply to p_boss)
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One of the russian spammers behind BS campaign has done a little of research on Nathan Clayton (the okopipi guy running the show now).

Here is Nathan's digg profile:
http://digg.com/users/LaCamiseta/profile

Notice his nick there is "LaCamiseta". Its spanish for T-Shirt... Also, Camiseta is name for a fish species "Abudefduf saxatilis", according to FishBase this species feeds on spinner dolphins’ feces and vomits. LoL

His blog: http://www.claytondevelopment.com/

"About Me

I’m currently a student at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas in the fields of Linguistics and German. I should be graduating with a dual-baccalaureate in May. I’ve been using a computer since before I could ride a bike (literally!). Aside from long walks on beaches and candle-lit dinners, I enjoy working on websites, translating literature, reading, and in general being a nerd."

Edited out some of the contact info - one of those emails isn't even associated with me - Nathan

Attached is his ugly face. Oh, Nathan, what's that in the bottle? The feces or the vomit? LOL

Frogs are now monitoring our conversations here

I like how they call us "just script kiddies with lotsa money". and that "The *REAL* danger guys, is the Lex Luthor (I'm talking about Pharma') who's hiding in some secret lab, studying our papers and data... "

PharmaMaster LoL.

I wish all frog community a best of luck in launching their 2nd baby, cuz the spammers need to fill that void that appeared after BS got shut down. Many spammers need a sense of purpose, making money for the sake of money is boring. Fucking with frogs was fun... keep'em comming.

stf

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Date 6/3/2006 3:49:06 AM

SteveWhite

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RE: BlackFrog NEW EDITION of BlueFrog (in reply to p_boss)
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its black frog guys, probably the lazy cousin of bluefrog who has been oppressed for 100 years who would rather eat chicken than stop spam.
Date 6/3/2006 4:20:56 PM

ebulker

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RE: BlackFrog NEW EDITION of BlueFrog (in reply to p_boss)
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now spam industry is even stronger than it was. noone can stop, they can just filter part of us. it works only if they change internet globally.

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